Personally I do enjoy when I get a good Warforge or Titanforge on something. It could easily be on yet another pair of gloves but it keeps me guessing on what will happen next.

I really don’t think much about what gear others have as I never feel like I am out-gearing someone who does higher content and from doing some PvP, they make it quite clear that they can crush me.

I am of a similar mindset. I can still figure out the items that are best, if something that is worse than BiS gets a titanforge I can figure that out IF I get the BiS, but that tends to take a while. At least in this scenario I have something to ponder over and (potentially) a decent item.

As has been mentioned, it also means there continues to be a chance at things while I keep playing. If I cap everything in a few weeks I feel like I might get bored easier or the flip side is that I never see the item I want drop and never have anything for the slot.

Replacing an item with zero effort? How do you get the item in the first place then if you aren’t doing anything?

In what ways do you personally feel that you truly earned an item? Like what game feature qualifies for this and which don’t?

When you have been playing regularly and you see someone who has a higher item level, let’s just say full Mythic Raid gear, how do you react to that? Do you care?

I am looking through all the posts to try and understand people while also giving my personal thoughts. It does have some back and forth so please try and understand that the entire community doesn’t necessarily agree on the topic.

It sounds like you do a decent amount of raiding, but of all the avenues for gear, how many of them do you do regularly? Like faction assaults, emissaries, conquest capping, warfronts, etc.

If someone is doing all of these avenues for gearing how do you feel your overall gear item level should compare to them?

The chance is technically the same for you to get things compared to others, but I do understand how some people get like the awesome weapon on their first run - I have been seeing this since Molten Core though so it isn’t a new development. If others keep getting items, do you trade with them at all?

I don’t quite understand how your play style doesn’t work though and not sure if this is really related to TF/WF.

You are focusing on raiding (it sounds like) and getting toward the item level of that raid and you aren’t putting in extra hours to maximize gear. Is that right? So if you aren’t putting in a bunch of extra hours, is your gear bothering you because you used to do that and you aren’t used to being a lower item level than the others you play with?

I see what you are saying about the “zero effort”, but in a related conversation, if you are doing all of the sources of gear it does take time and a commitment. Do you feel that if someone is doing an organized raid for 4ish hours a week they should without question be a higher item level than someone who doesn’t raid but likes to do a variety of different things - often by themself - but plays for 20ish hours a week?

How does it feel if you get passed over on receiving the same item multiple times in a row?

In your opinion, should mythic plus and organized raiding be the only sources of loot and everything else gives some flatline blue gear?

So in your case, is your concern is more about the loot system and less about WF/TF?

Also, I understand where you are coming from as an organized raider. How much do you feel we should consider the play styles of others when it comes to rewards? We really try to cover a wide range of play styles and how concerned are you with what items those other people have?

Why do you feel you need to do all of the content? You can do the content that you enjoy and you will get rewarded for it. Yes, there are other avenues to gear up and it makes sense to do a bunch of them if you are pushing content, but how come it’s not optional based on your play style/time? There can be long gaps where I don’t do any PvP and could be missing out on gear but that only affects me if I’m trying to squeeze out every item level - I prefer to just focus on things I want to do with the time I have.

I know you removed the part where I mentioned ‘pushing content’ and such, but it sounds like you feel there are just too many sources for loot and so it’s a large time commitment to keep up with all of them based on the requirements of the raid group that you have joined. Is that right?

Also, how much gear do you get each week from the warfront vs. the raid up to and including Heroic Jaina? I have a hunch one is much higher than the other.

Just speaking hypothetical, if WF/TF existed for lower level gear, but like Mythic raiding always 100% had the BiS pieces, would you be satisfied? Even if you don’t do that content?

Has there ever been a point while playing the game where you haven’t had the time/ability to be pushing content? I know we have a dedicated crowd here (General Discussion represent!) but I’m trying to understand your history as well as others to see if they have been in other positions and how the rewards worked for them.

But when doing PuG content, why does it matter how they earned it? What content are you doing that requires this scrutiny? Are you pushing Mythic+ with PuGs and having issues? Personally I just roll with things as some under-geared players are pretty good at the game and if someone is making mistakes I try and help them out a bit or just focus on what I can do to help the group.

Cheers

What content are you doing for this? How many people do you think have a 400 item level average from just doing like warfronts and world quests? Have you come across people with solid raid experience who haven’t run a specific dungeon? (I have)

Can you expand on how that trickle of items from the sources make gear and item-level meaningless?

Is it accurate to say that you no longer look forward to a drop, even if it’s a big upgrade, because there might be something else that replaces it soon? When there are like two weapons available in a raid and one is better for you, do you ignore the weaker one even if it’s a solid upgrade?

Have you ever felt, at any point, that there isn’t enough to do in this game?

So I had a weekend and came back to see that there were a few more discussions in this thread.

I wanted to let all of you know that I have been going through things and I really appreciate those of you who took the time to share their experiences, their play style, and how this system affects them. I also hope that some of you saw what I saw and how there are a few different opinions out there.

Just wanted to say I’m still around, cheers!

Just a quick reminder to keep the discussions focused on the topic and how your play experience is impacted. If there is a continued focus on simply arguing directly with others on being right or wrong then I will lock the thread.

Thanks for your understanding and happy Monday

Having differing viewpoints is pretty critical for forum discussions and so we should all be coming here expecting such things to happen. The key word there is discussion and hopefully some level of understanding others in the process. Hopefully.

Just be careful when you sound like you are speaking for others. Personally, I’m more focused on getting my average item level up. Sometimes a good WF/TF makes it so I don’t need to worry about a single slot for a while but it doesn’t happen much. I mainly have been trying to use titanforges to fill in some slots that I feel unlucky in (hi trinkets!) and that has resulted in such success that I have zero titanforges on my main spec atm, heh.

That is also why I was asking so many questions on this topic to try and understand others, their play style, their interests, etc. There are a very wide variety of opinions and preferences that have come up here and there is a lot to consider.

I understand that certain people are very focused on perfectly itemized gear. I have done that in the past as well but it isn’t what I personally worry about these days. If I get something equivalent then I’m happy and can move on to continue playing things that I want to play - side note that I have always enjoyed World Quests so maybe that’s part of why I’m so easy going with that area.

In regards to trinkets, I just expect to be using the Darkmoon Faire one for a year, I didn’t know other trinkets dropped/existed (this sentence is a joke).