Varx
3 weeks ago
Arcane Torrent GCD
Is there a reason why AT is on the GCD? You got other races with their racials off it and yet AT is still on it. I would understand if DPS racials would be off the GCD and utility on it, but then Shadowmeld is off the GCD. So what gives?
Ythisens
3 weeks ago
Arcane Torrent GCD
Arcane Torrent is effectively a Mass Dispell/AoE Purge, as well as a free HP generation. I think it's pretty fair that one is on the GCD as its still very powerful.

Shadowmeld doesn't have near that much of an impact if you're comparing what the abilities actually do. I don't think the mentality should be "All Racials should be on or off GCD" but rather what they do individually that dictates that.

Of course the feedback is welcome but specific examples of why X or Y ability should be on or off is great as always.
Edited by Ythisens 09/24/2018 07:23 PM
Ythisens
3 weeks ago
Arcane Torrent GCD
09/24/2018 12:25 PMPosted by Sifu
You don't think a VANISH that lets you escape from death every 2 minutes doesn't have as much impact?

When you're comparing the two abilities to each other, no. I think Arcane Torrent is far more powerful in both a PvE and PvP standpoint.

The ability for classes like Paladins to purge a buff, and generate a HP, in a singular global is very strong. Imagine that off the GCD and it becomes even stronger.
Ythisens
3 weeks ago
Arcane Torrent GCD
Arcane Torrent is effectively a Mass Dispell/AoE Purge, as well as a free HP generation. I think it's pretty fair that one is on the GCD as its still very powerful.

Shadowmeld doesn't have near that much of an impact if you're comparing what the abilities actually do. I don't think the mentality should be "All Racials should be on or off GCD" but rather what they do individually that dictates that.

Of course the feedback is welcome but specific examples of why X or Y ability should be on or off is great as always.

Game worked fine for 11 years with a much better Arcane Torrent off the GCD isn't specific enough?


I think you need to look in the context of what Arcane Torrent did originally. Since it was a Silence/Interrupt, it would be a little strange on the GCD as interrupts shouldn't be on the GCD. That's at is core is what the ability was made to used for, to interrupt. So it should be off.

Now with the rework since its more in line with a Purge, it should be on the GCD. I'm not the biggest fan of some of the GCD changes personally but I think the new Arcane Torrent is an example of something that definitely should be on the GCD.
Edited by Ythisens 09/25/2018 08:12 PM
Ythisens
3 weeks ago
Arcane Torrent GCD
09/24/2018 12:41 PMPosted by Nexcoyotl
HP generation? Torrent only provides class resources like mana/runic power/energy. Kind of a shame how a blizz employee does not even know how the spell functions.


09/24/2018 12:41 PMPosted by Sifu
What HP generation? It generates a minuscule amount of resources that isn't even worth the 1.5s GCD it incurs. Unless there is something to dispel, it is worthess.


If you play Ret for example, it generates a Holy Power, which is a class resource for Ret. So if all your abilities are on CD waiting for the next ability, you can toss in Arcane Torrent if there is nothing to purge. Which equates to a free Holy Power every time it's up. This can save your Relentless Inquisitor, Inquisition, or Righteous Verdict, so that you can keep those buffs rolling. That's a lot of power for a racial ability.

There's a reason why its in the Ret opener, and mentioned in the overall rotation, for most if not all guides if you're a Blood Elf. It's small when compared to your regular class abilities but that's a pretty big for a racial.

09/24/2018 12:40 PMPosted by Dliver
Feel free to change it back whenever :)

I do find myself missing the AoE silence, but I actually prefer the newer version myself. I think it's a bit more of a niche being a purge and I think abilities like that can be pretty fun.
Currently Ranked: Fluff